For years, DC decisionmakers have failed to understand the Chinese communist threat, and America is paying the price, says retired Air Force brigadier general Robert Spalding. He’s a leading expert on China and the author of “Stealth War: How China Took Over While America’s Elite Slept.”
Here the interview by Jan Jekielek, American Thought Leaders:
Mr. Jekielek: Robert Spalding, you’ve written the book, “Stealth War.” You document some of these methods—the hybrid warfare techniques and so forth—that the Chinese Communist Party has been using for decades to subvert America. Excellent book, and I highly recommend that anyone watching right now read it, because it builds on the ideas that you’re just describing. Basically, people will say, “Massive mail ballots, what does that have to do with the CCP?”
Gen. Spalding: Absolutely. What does it have to do with the CCP? Why did we have massive mail-in ballots? Because of the coronavirus. Why do we have the coronavirus? Because of the Chinese Communist Party. Why do they have this opportunity? Because we brought them into the WTO, because we welcomed them into the community of nations. It all comes together.
For once the American people have been able to see what I have been trying to tell people is there. But you’re not going to get this message from the journalists; you’re not going to get this message from the media. I daresay you’re not going to get it from the intelligence community, because what they are looking for—it is a product of our own reality—is a paper trail.
That there is evidence that shows direct involvement of a bad actor in some event. But what you learned from watching movies like mafia movies and Al Capone, these organizations, very similar to the Chinese Communist Party, are some of the most secretive organizations in the world. They don’t telegraph what they’re doing. The only time that you find out what’s going on behind the curtain is when you have a major, major crisis in the country.
We had it during the Tiananmen Square, then the Tiananmen papers came out. There was a major crisis when Xi Jinping was elevated to General Secretary, and that is with the tug of war between himself and Bo Xilai. So we see then, “Document Number Nine” comes out. There’s a lot of inner party discussions that are leaked and translated. And then with President Trump, you have the “Xinjiang Papers.”
Again, I had major company officials, Chinese company officials, when I was a defense attaché, get in my face ask me, “What is America going to do about Xi Jinping?” What are we going to do? Because he’s taking China over a cliff. It was because of the pressure the President was putting on the Chinese Communist Party.
Now, there’s a belief that there’s a good Party and a bad Party. No, they’re all the same. They just have a difference of opinion on how to get there. So you can’t go to the Chinese Communist Party and say, “Hey, well, you guys that are a little bit more not like Xi Jinping, work with us to get to a better future.” No, they both agree on the future.
The future is one where the Chinese Communist Party exists in a world where it preferences authoritarian regimes, and the leaders of countries work together, much like the kings in Europe, prior to the Peace of Westphalia. That is what China wants. They want only strong leaders around the world. This narrative that has been concocted by the media, makes it sound like President Trump was that strong leader.
But in fact, what the Chinese Communist Party wants in America is essentially this idea of a partnership between the corporate side of the United States and both political parties that enable profits for the wealthy and suppress the interests of the working class.
Because in order to do that, or in order to remain in power in China, the Chinese Communist Party must take jobs out of free societies. So this idea of a globalized internet-connected world was a perfect environment for them to wage what Mao called “people’s war.” We are in 2020 in the midst of a people’s war waged by the Chinese Communist Party around the world to essentially destroy liberalism.
In many ways we’re cooperating because we censor ourselves. This is the most incredible thing, because as I was working in China, and understanding the Chinese Communist Party, I could look at the United States and see many of the same things happening in China. In other words, widespread censorship and widespread oppression of views.
In other words, there’s only one truth and that’s the truth of the Chinese Communist Party. If you have another opinion, then you’re isolated. There’s a thing called a social credit score. If you speak up—if you have a different opinion—then your score goes down and your access to services and your access to capital is taken away, essentially. You’re shunned and you have a scarlet letter, a digital scarlet letter.
These are the things that the Chinese Communist Party is working on very closely with our own corporate sector, our own academia, and our all own political institutions— to essentially promote things like critical race theory, things like applied postmodernism, things like social justice, that really have less to do with equality under the law, and more to do with a very particular form of racism. This feeds right into what the Chinese Communist Party wants to do.
And look, there’s a number of people that have pointed this out, that understand it, that are fighting to do the right thing, on the left, on the political left in the United States, and on the political right. And it’s not about America; it’s not about the left and the right. It’s about recognizing what’s happening to our society and recognizing the desire of many within our society now.
These programs, these critical race theory and social justice programs in the humanities and in the culture of our universities, have promoted this. It is the Chinese social and political system that they have created, and increasingly, the social and political systems of the West.
Mr. Jekielek: Many media in the U.S. have actually ended up calling the election for Vice President Biden. We haven’t done that at the Epoch Times. We want to see how things play out with all the different challenges that are in play right now. But it’s notable that the Chinese Communist Party has not come out, while other world leaders have, to congratulate a potential President Biden. What are your thoughts on why that might be?
Gen. Spalding: First of all, the news media, which controls the narrative in the United States, and is owned by six major corporations, essentially have all come together to create this environment where there’s one truth. It very much goes along with what I was just saying.
Why Russia and why China have not rushed to congratulate the president-elect, whoever it is, is because they both understand that. In America, you still have rule of law. They saw in 2000 that there was a disputed election. For 37 days somebody was promoted as the president-elect. Then on the 37th day, we had somebody else.
So they understand that, as much as some people would like it to be one way or the other, we have rule of law and we have due process. These are not things that exist in Russia or China. They’re hedging their bets. Again, the one thing that you can count on the Chinese for is that they are always pragmatic and opportunistic. So they’re watching and they’re waiting. They are not going to be too hasty. They want to understand who’s actually inaugurated.